1 Billion rounds of assorted ammo and 2 Trident missiles. Never got into that bull barrel and FLGR noise. In this case 3/4 of an inch shouldn't matter much....I don't feel the difference....now that said on a 3 inch I do. If I had to carry one all day I'll usually go with the Commander just because it's lighter, although I carry my Govt just as much if it's going to be for a few hours or less. Not enough velocity loss to even consider or sighting plane. But that little bit shorter Commander size is easier to carry. This way, you will have more reason to get the smaller one in the future If wanting to spend big bucks, I would go with full size. I did this one in 1975. There is a little more muzzle flip in a steel commander. My only handguns are a S&W m60 snub (trigger job & bobbed hammer), a mostly stock 5" SA. Coin flip. Why do you ask? Handgun Search; Tabletop Compare; Contribute; Contact; Kimber . A true Commander 1911 has merely had ¾" shaved off the barrel and slide, but is otherwise the same size. I do like full size better for 45's and 10mm's but I have them in commander. Difference in sight radius and accuracy to me is negligible as I seem to shoot both equally well. I don't like rails on anything but I do like commanders. 1911 Commander. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Since you are not looking for a carry gun, I would go with the full size … SAO Competition Pistol . I have about 10. 1911 Full size vs Commander. Aside from the extra velocity, are you giving up anything when you move from a full sized to a Commander length 1911? Officer's model uses a smaller frame and shorter barrel. How is the recoil on them vs a full size.? I am dreaming of a bobtail commander or 4 inch in 9mm. For just shooting the all steel 1911 or commander seem better but I'm liking the Commander size right now. I own 2 full size 1911s in 9mm and 45. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada, is an independent enthusiast website owned and operated by Content on is generated by its users. I have both. Either learn to do it, or pay someone who can. There is only 3/4" difference in barrel length between the full size and commander versions. Mar 15, 2015 #1 . 1 105mm Howitzer. In Colt 1911 Commander vs Government Shootout and Review I give a few details of the differences of these great 1911's. i was just shooting yesterday with a SS TRP and a SS DW Commander. Only real external meaningful difference, far as carry is concerned, is commander slide and barrel is 3/4" shorter. 1 Panzer Tank. Not in a bad way, just different. If there is a legitimate criticism of the 1911 as a carry gun, it is size and weight. Suite 500, Troy, Michigan 48084 USA, is an independent enthusiast website owned and operated by Content on is generated by its users. 21 AR Style Rifles. I started out thinking I needed a full size in every caliber as a goal, after four guns that quickly changed as I purchased a commander size on accident. Desert Eagle 1911 C. Usually when you think Desert Eagle you think big, like autoloading pistols in … is not in any way affiliated with. I've gone back to my full size 1911's strong side IWB, a double mag pouch on opposite side helps balance belt. However, I have a Sig 229 with 3.9" barrel/slide. Length: 8 in. JavaScript is disabled. The additional front-loaded weight will soak up recoil (which would be mild in a full-size anyway) and make follow-up shots a breeze. Mag compatability is a wonderful thing. Then a Commander (4.75 inch slide/barrel and full length grip). Whatever your reasons are, we'll discuss several tips and strategies for carrying a full size handgun on your person. Others have a big enough frame where a full size pistol is all that fits comfortably in the hand. vs 36.4 oz, so the differences are negligible . Generally speaking, “Commander-size” (emphasis on the word “size”) is a 1911 that has a 4 1/4 inch long barrel instead of 5 inches like on a full-size 1911. I really like commander's in 9mm & 38 super! Next an old Officers ACP (3.5 inch slide/barrel and shorter grip) and on the bottom a Defender (3 inch slide/barrel and shorter grip). I own a Taurus PT 1911 full size .45 caliber, is the gun has everything I want. They are available in both aluminum-frame and steel-frame versions in weights ranging from about 26 to … May 11, 2010 #1. I’ve got full size, commander, cco, and subcompact 1911’s, and I like them all and think each has a place. The only difference I've ever notice is that I can have the full-length back on target for 2nd shot a micro-second faster. Officer frame : the Officer 1911 is the subcompact variant. The barrel bushing is full size and will only accept full size compensators. 1 Squad of Nepalese Gurkhas. Probably commander clears leather a bit faster due to shorter length. 2,139 17 38. Tommycourt Tommycourt. My LW S&W (4.25") is much snappier than my steel framed STI (4"). 1911. I carry both, and deep down inside I tend to feel more comforting with a Government model. Below, in Colt land, a Gov on top (5 inch slide/barrel and full length grip). Having only ever shot full-size 1911s and just recently getting a Commander-length Ed Brown, I instantly noticed the difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. I have two Sigs and a S&W 627 PC revolver. May 11, 2010 #1. Hard for me to say, I like both. A forum community dedicated to 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. The butt of the Commander is almost a full inch longer than the G19. Full size 1911 vs. ZeroTA likes 'em big. JavaScript is disabled. The gun is very accurate. 1911's are like old motorcycles. The 5" has been demoted to bedside use. Overall length difference is 8.67" vs. 7.75". For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. My 5 inch guns get more range time . And for a few years, I packed the little Officer Model until I converted to Glock19. is not in any way affiliated with. I don't shoot magnum anything anymore for that reason. VS. Taurus . Standard barrel length is 3.5 inches for most models from most manufacturers, though there are shorter barrel lengths out there. I've also been shooting a 9mm Citadel full size gun, it's a lot of fun too. Wilson: CQBc 45, EDC-9, Stealth 38S, GI: NN CCO 45, LB: Commanche Mono HW 45, EB: Alpha Elite Rail 45, SACS: Pro, 10mm custom, Sams MEUSOC replica thingy. S. It is only really noticeable if you shoot them back-to-back IMHO. Remember Col. Cooper’s words... “It’s suppose to be comforting - Not comfortable.”, I carry both, and deep down inside I tend to feel more comforting with a Government model. 4.25" with full size frame = Commander 4.25" with shorter frame = Concealed Carry Officer's (CCO) 3.5" with shorter frame = Officer's ACP 3" with shorter frame = Defender or New Agent Per current market/gun forum vernacular: 5" barrel/slide with full size frame = Full size 4"-4.25" with full size frame = Commander or mid-size, sometimes compact Jim, When asked by a passerby what sort of government the constitutional convention had formulated for the new nation, Benjamin Franklin memorably replied, “A republic, if you can keep it”. I'm a bit recoil sensitive probably due to magnum rifles and 12 ga shotguns so I would notice the recoil difference and I don't. The butt on a 1911 is sharper. Can’t be much. Recoil is much more snappy and there's more muzzle flip compared to a full-size. Compare Views. The 1911 Government was originally chambered in .45 ACP, though other configurations have been made available in everything from 9mm, .50 GI, to .22 LR. www.1911addicts.com › ... › Feedback for Dwe, http://constitution.org/lrev/rkba_wayment.htm, Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 3290 W. Big Beaver Rd. Commander generally is a Govn't frame with a 4-4.25'' barrel. But the 1911 is also available in smaller size configurations known as the Commanders, Defenders and Officers Model 1911s. Top to bottom, the popular concealed carry barrel lengths – 4.25-inch, 4-inch and 3-inch. Some people just don't want to compromise on performance and ammunition capacity. Its full-size grip conceals a standard magazine carrying seven rounds. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. They're my favorite 1911's. Rugers lightweight commander (AL frame) is STILL 20% heavier than a G19. Maybe it is just me but when I think 1911, it is a full sized 1911. 1 A-10 Warthog. The glock already has a cut off frame at the rear (only done on bobtail 1911’s). ... Valero is the best 1911. "The nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.". The 1911 has a beavertail that protrudes from the rear of the frame. Fitting a standard length barrel to a Commander slide isn't very hard to do. Customary Metric . “Well, dying is certainly better than living an entire life as a moronic sh*thead who thinks Taserface is a cool name.” v v v v v v see below. Having only ever shot full-size 1911s and just recently getting a Commander-length Ed Brown, I instantly noticed the difference in felt recoil and muzzle flip. Low … 7 Ithaca Model 37's. Total length is 8.25”. Joined Oct 1, 2009 Messages 16 Reactions 0 Points 0. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The 1911 slide is longer. I like having the lighter slide while still having the longer runway for more velocity. There might also be a tiny bit more report and muzzle-blast from the commander-length, but can't say I've noticed a difference in recoil. Full steel “combat” Commander. Remember Col. Cooper’s words... “. The commander model 1911 is generally 4.25″. I never noticed a difference between the two in recoil. I’ve never chronographed the two so I don’t know the velocity difference? Recoil is much more snappy and there's more muzzle flip compared to a full-size. 2 F-16 Fighting Falcons. Come join the discussion about other firearms, gun ownership, gun care, tactical firearms, small arms, optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I'm slightly less accurate with it but it is faster than the full size (IDPA) style shooting. I don't even like the word. These pistols retain the full-size Government Model/Commander grip frame. Commander Discussion in 'Range Reports' started by Tommycourt, Mar 15, 2015. I am faster to the target & follow up shots with a Commander. I shoot a bit more accurately with the longer site radius of the 5 " gun. Ergonomics are same , so muscle memory is too . Love the full size when plinking, popping plates or paper at the gravel pit. If it. Basic diagnostic / maintenance / repair work is part of the game. Commanders wear, carry and conceal better. Rock Island 1911 9MM, 3.5" Barrel, Steel Frame, Adjustable Sights, 8 Rd Mag, Ambi Safety. Width: 1.5 in. I don't have a commander; all my 1911's are full size. Or a full custom. I believe it was Clint Smith that said that. And I liked it better than the equivalent Kimber. Science says there must be, but experience says it isn't enough to worry about. Commander is .75” shorter in barrel/slide, the slide cycles .10” less in terms of travel, the sight radius is shorter, the weight is a little less... that’s about all. Thinking about a commander size 1911 down the road. Thanks guys, I was thinking of getting one since I have the magazines from my full size + just to have something different. I cannot detect any difference in acquiring the Sig sights versus a 5" 1911. Weight difference is 39 oz. Is there a difference in recoil between a steel commander & a full size 1911? A lot depends on your body, how you dress, and how you carry. 3 Colt Pythons. Not in a bad way, just different. LW commanders get more carry time . Thread starter hercster; Start date May 11, 2010; H. hercster Member. The Springfield Champion Lightweight Operator isn’t a true Commander, but a four-inch barrel 1911. Height: 5.8 in. 22 1911's 16 Smith & Wesson Model 29's and 629's. To the OP, I carry both a full-size 1911 (5" barrel) and a Commander (4.25" barrel). It doesn't matter which one you buy.... you'll sell it ............ and buy it back later. They really aren’t considered a true commander gun, more so the “mid-size”. ... for a full custom practical carry .45 Commander, without labor, was about $600. I took my Commander out for it's indoctrination today and ran about 200 rounds through it, … {under 4''} Some opinions are that the Officer's size 1911s and some Commanders … I notice a little more barrel flip with the CCC and that's it. If your plan is for carry, then get the bigger one first. The Commander barrel is 3/4" shorter than the full-size. For the purpose of grips and magazines, this is still considered a full size gun. Commanders, Defenders and Officers Model 1911s. Not troublesome, just different. The Vigil Commander is an extremely well-made 1911 platform nine with a forged aluminum frame, drift-adjustable rear sight, 25 lpi front and rear checkering. Anything smaller than a Govn't size 1911 could be called a compact. They're all good. Not a LW alloy model. Tips On Carrying A 1911 or a Full Size Handgun. While DW makes a government size model too, the commander size is a little lighter and a better size for carry. 1911 Commander. I prefer the original "Colt style" Commanders with the 4.25" barrel and bushing. Weight: 38 oz. Thanks Al The 5" is marginally smoother in its recoil pulse, but not enough to justify carrying the larger size. 2 Sherman Tanks. - S&W 1911 Sc: Model Class+ - Commander, Barrel Length: 4.25", Overall Length: 7.95", Height:++ 5.7", Weight: 29.7 oz., Capacity: 8+1 rounds - S&W 1911 Pro Series: Model Class+ - Officer's, Barrel Length: 3.0", Overall Length: 6.9", Height:++ 5.3", Weight: 26.5 oz., Capacity: 7+1 rounds The length, 4.25″ refers to the barrel length. Compare the dimensions and specs of Kimber 1911 and Taurus 1911 Commander. I've carried a full size 1911 + two mag pouch and a Kahr PM40 in pocket for 12 hours a day (including 9 mile bicycle rides) without any problem. The 1911 Commander: 4.25" Model I have not shot a commander/4 inch but handling one feels like it balances better for me. Some guns may be marketed as commander length with a 4″ bushingless barrel. Slide lock, picatinny rail, ambidextrous safety, Taurus security system, front and rear racking grips. SAO Full-Sized Pistol *Buying ammo from LuckyGunner.com helps support HandgunHero. The “loaded” descends from the GI specs of the original 1911 and is just going a step further than one size fits all approach. 1 Pallet of Stinger Missiles. I’ve carried them all. Also, and this is something to think about, the single-stack capacity is only three fewer rounds than standard capacity of the Browning Hi-Power. Some new reloads, and noted shooting one then the other that the lighter gun had more "flip" or muzzle rise. Bottom line, it's all about how you practice and what you're accustomed to. 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